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Am I A Blog Or A Website



Am I A Blog Or A Website

May 09, 2003

Google will soon begin penalizing Blogs: as a result, over the next several months, Blogs will appear in Google search results at a lower ranking than they appear now. In turn, Websites will move up in search results.

And so the question is, am I a Blog or Website?

Of course, that is not an easy question, because a Blog is a Website. Both are cut from the same cloth, text and graphics.

Google will try to define Blogs by an algorithm -- a mathematical formula. Plug the numbers into the formula and voila, a definition of which Websites are Blogs. But what formula?

If you search Google for ‘definition of a blog’ you get, as the third result, one of the very ealiest blogs.essays :: weblogs: a history and perspective. And this elegant history and perspective will not help Google to define a formula. How can you put into a formula that a Blog is a unique journal of one person’s experiences, published on a Website?

And why, to step back a moment, is Google penalizing Blogs? What’s so bad about a blog appearing in search results, as the example above does, and providing an elegant history and perspective of blogs?

Andrew Orlowski writes in The Register that "through dense and incestuous linking, results from blogs can drown out other sources."

OK, I will stop here. Before I leap ahead to the next topic of censorware, and the evils of penalizing speech that is not content-neutral.

UPDATE: Thanks for the comments! I've found that blogs are being penalized by my own experiments. But here are some of links related to this controversy ...

Evan Williams the co-founder of Blogger (recently purchased by Google) evhead says: "as far as I know, Orlowski is full of crap."

And a Google Employee commented: "I think Andrew Orlowski is taking a comment and taking it in the direction that he wants to go. I would take that article with a grain of salt.

GoogleGuy, going for understatement. :) "

But the 'understatement' from both of these Google employees is much less than a full denial. To be precise, I'm not saying that blogs are going to be removed from the google main index.

My question is, are blogs being penalized, so that they show up lower in the search results, than they have so far?

And if you follow the Google search results as I do, you can see that blogs are already being penalized in this next revision of the Google main index, called the Google Dance.

Finally, I just want to say that, contrary to Orlowski's accusation that blogs are 'incestuous', I believe many blogs are an increasingly important media, as my next post shows Larry Lessig Blog on New FCC Media Rules

As I say in that post, it's disturbing that Google may be limiting the influence of the blog media at the same time as the FCC is increasing the concentration of Big Media.

Please post your own comments below:

- by Aimee Deep at 12:48 PM with 170 comments


Comments
Where'd you hear about Google moving blogs down? Can you provide a link? The Register article seems a little off. They say Google is going to do a blog specific search engine. They conclude blogs will be removed from the main search engine. Seems conjecture. I read today in a comment on the Feedster blog, they are going to do it based on RSS feeds. But that was based on the Register article. So again conjecture. Posted by: Ron, http://www.reactuate.com on May 9, 2003 01:32 PM



Eeeek! If you find any links adding to this story, would you mind either posting them or e-mailing them to me? I would be v grateful. Posted by: Perry de Havilland, http://samizdata.net/blog on May 10, 2003 12:16 PM



Mentioned in the Register article, Google just bought the blogspot/blogger company. Also, they mentioned how when you google something newsy, you tend to get a lot of blogs, because people write comments on stuff that happens, faster sometimes than professional stuff. I think it's just a way to let you separate whether you're looking for a commentary or maybe a factual article when you search for something. Of course, with music, it's kinda hard to tell the difference between opinion and facts, 'eh'nit? Posted by: Gary, http://tfs_reluctant.blogspot.com on May 10, 2003 05:52 PM



Thanks for the update Aimee. I have crossed swords with Orlowski myself in fact and I would have to agree with Ev Williams... he is indeed full of crap. Posted by: Perry de Havilland, http://www.samizdata.net/blog/ on May 18, 2003 01:54 PM



The word incestuous is not necessarily an insult... it has a meaning other than the criminal. In this context (blogs interlinking) it seems a rather accurate (if colorful) description, regardless of how "important" the web sites are. Posted by: Larry, on May 31, 2003 11:54 PM



how can a search engine determine what's blog and what's useful? easy. bayesian sort. do a google search for it (the bloggers haven't pissed all over bayesian AI yet). now shut up or ur lame blog gets DDoSed. Posted by: anonymous coward, on June 1, 2003 08:58 AM



I frequently see excelent ranking of my small Blog-style PHP-Nuke site on google. A lot of search hits I get are very well on topic. This includes for example search on "Linux Shutdown" or "Noodle Salade Receipies". For both I offer very valid and good articles. I hope google will not rank my contributions out, only because I choose to use a weblog style website. Posted by: eckes, http://www.eckes.org on June 1, 2003 11:43 AM



Google just came out with a beta tool bar that has a button for blogs. I just installed it and I'm not really impressed as it seems as if you have to sign up with blogger. New to Blogging? Blogger is a web-based tool that helps you publish to your own web site instantly. The BlogThis! button on the Google Toolbar makes it even easier -- One click and you can quickly share your thoughts with the world. Already a Blogger User? username password I have to test drive this baby a few more kilometers. I hang between column and blog, so I'm not going to use it but yeah, curiosity is hopping. Posted by: brenda, http://www.brendastardom.com on July 4, 2003 02:23 PM



Google should have a toggle where one can control how the search is organized (i.e. blogs/no blogs, blogs at end/at begining/mixed...) problemo solved. Posted by: nick, on November 1, 2003 11:12 AM